NEW NMCA NSS Rules

[TrannyMan]

Hope Y'all dont think I am bitchin and complaining, I am not. I am just discussing. Seems to be that there are to many Mopar directives of engines available for that line.

On Another Note: Called Bill Mitchell today. The 409 block should be available in two months. (heard that before haven't we?) Heads have to come from another company in Georgia which I plan on calling tomorrow. Rep at Mitchell said the 409 was available all the way up to 509 Cubic inches. If the other guy has good heads that has stock port placement.... That might be a Flyer.

I would love to see a FX 61 Impala.

[GTSDave]

I am not taking is as bitchin at all....... Just valid questions needing answers.

I couldn't tell you anything about the choices you have with Rat engines. I just don't know much about them. When I was a line tech at a Chevy dealer in Baton Rouge, I had a chance to see one Rat up close. It came out of a bus and was a swap out under warranty. Every thing else I worked on was either a small block, or a V6, and I worked on enough of them to lock my tool boxes and swear I would never work at a dealer for a living again. Now I just do it for fun and friends hehehehe.

When I have BB Chevy questions I have a few friends that really know their way around them, I just talk to those guys.

For Mopar, we do have lots of engine choices, but remember, we could order almost any engine in our cars. For my 68 Barracuda I could get a /6, 273, 318, 340, 383 (B), and the HEMI. The 440 Mr. Norms cars I dont count hehehe. Now in 1969, it was /6, 318, 340, 383 (B), and 440 (RB) Same for the 68 and 69 Darts.

Not too bad eh?

On another note, I love the W engines in the Chevy lineup. Just a cool engine all they way around. It seems to me I saw an article a while back in I think, popular hot rodding where they talked about aluminum W engine heads hitting the market. I would love to see some of the old Chevy iron runnin in FX.

I am a Mopar guy that also loves the early FE powered Fords. But I know we need lots of cars to make this thing work. Adding a good alloy block for the W engine guys is sure to increase the car count, and I would really love to have a chance at runnin against some of those machines.

-Dave

[TrannyMan]

Chevy only really had one Mark IV BIg Block for the cars, they did have a truck block which had a higher deck on the block. They did have different heads and bore and stroke sizes. You could get a 396 (400 402 called in later years) 427 and 454. Maybe that's why Chevies are so cheap as Y'all think they are. Get one, get it right, use it for years.

Guess when you got it right you didn't need to put out a B RB Hemi and whatever else Mopar did to try and keep up.

[texoutsider]

Hey Dave, I suppose I have "agitated" the people we are trying to influence on thier board...............

Tranny Man..........you are showing your ass again.

M.

[Old Hippie]

Dallas doesn't want to race NMCA this year -- but I'm not ready to say that yet. As far as their board -- I told myself two days ago that I don't need to visit it, and haven't.

I really wanted to take another shot at the ring this year -- but I don't need to be where I'm not wanted. I've gotten the feeling I'm not wanted, and that's a big handicap to overcome in an organization as political as NMCA. Now Dallas is so pissed that he swears he won't change his mind, and absolutely won't race NMCA -- to where I'm not sure I could race there, if it was the only option. Maybe he'll cool down -- but I'm sure that the NMCA would rather I not race with them or visit their forum any more. They're gig is Fastest Street cars, and NSS is diametrically opposed to the 6 and 7 second Mustangs, Novas, and Camaros with their big slicks, NOS, fat slicks, and stickerless sides. I've been told by a NMCA official that NSS is pretty much made up of grumpy old men -- and I was told that Charlie Harmon really doesn't too much care for NSS -- although he frankly, has been nice to me.

That said -- I find it disingenuous that this is all now a "Typographical Error". How do you make something like that a typo -- then PM me with the cost and availability justification? I might be an asshole to them -- but I feel like I stopped this Rat Motor crap in less that 8 hours -- while the rest of the world was sleeping.

It might be crying to some -- this is bigger than most think. It starts with Rats in old Chevys, then its 460s in Thunderbolts, -- then why not put Rats in Buicks, Olds, and Pontiacs? They're GM and have shared engines for decades now. We just don't need to change the rules every time someone shows up with a car just a hair outside of the rules. It bastardizes the class. This is now my 7th year in NSS, I've made 17 of 18 of the last NMCA races (I cannot name one NSS racer who has been to as many), spent hundreds of thousands to race NSS with NMCA, and I'm as competitive as anyone with a car as fast as mine. I don't deserve to be considered the Rookie Jackass anymore, and feel like I have now earned the right to be heard.

As far as phoning rather than post -- well I've gone through the system of telephone calls, emailing to the proper email address for rule changes, and face to face conversations. I have never accomplished a reversal of a stupid rule or the acceptance of a reasonable (lane choice and sticker placement) that way. So I also feel it is disingenuous to suggest that as being the way to get something done -- when it has never before worked for me. Rules like the Rat Motor -- if not stopped in its tracks while the Iron is still hot -- become irreversible.

[texoutsider]

Don't burn any bridges Dave,,,,don't do as I do, do as I say...lol

But I am sure that your post got something done..thanks...........glad it's you and not me this time...I only pissed off Scott........

I think that you should talk to Charlie Harmon...just see how he feels..

Mark

[Old Hippie]

I haven't yet said that I won't race the series this year -- as I'm looking at other options. However, it isn't looking good for me to do so between my pissing them off, my feeling that I'd be driven away if I did show up, and Dallas swearing that he absolutely wants no part of it. He's young and has a tendency of react prior to sleeping on it.

There is suppose to be a series of about five races that included Kansas City and the points from the Monster. Anyone heard any word on that. I know that they want to run it as a bracket race, which I'm not a big fan of -- but I've got to consider all options.

I haven't heard anything on what Dago Red was working on. I was hoping that there was an option there. I might be able to help him with some web site design/server, and my contact list -- if that would help.

I'd like to run in something that is multiple races, has a respectable car count per race (at least 16), has a Championship award that the winner would forever cherish.

[Old Hippie]

For kicks -- I clicked on the link for rules -- and I noted the following:

1. No rats motors for Chevy -- but they can run the Z11 427, which was a W Motor in the 63 Z11 Impala.



Z-11 Facts and part numbers: Produced only in 1963
The R.P.O. Z-11 option was an additional $1240.00
Shipping weight-3245 lbs.
Curb weight-3405 lbs.
57 Z-11 Impala's were produced
Modified 409 engine rated at 430hp@6000 RPM's. (Actual
horsepower was 480-525) Block casting #3830814. Code "QM"
Block part number #3838253
Cylinder Heads #3837731 2.19 intake/1.72 exhaust
Valve Covers #3837739 (left), #3837740 (right)
Oil pan (deep sump) #3816322
2 piece Intake manifold #3830623 (top)-#3837733 (bottom)
Waterpump #3837691 (aluminum)
Cam #3837736 .556 intake/.556 exhaust lift with 325 duration
Crankshaft #3837472
Distributor #1111023
Coil #1115107
Generator #1100628
Starter #1107274
3.65" piston stroke
4.3125" bore (same as 409)
13.5:1 compression ratio
Special cowl induction air cleaner #6418986, #3839764 (duct)
Tach (redlined at 6200 rpm's)
Borg Warner T-10 4 speed transmission (close ratio)
Special posi rear with 4.11:1 rear gear ratio
Sintered metallic brake shoes
Screened rear brake backing plates with air scoops
15 X 5.5 wheels with 6.70 X 15 bias ply tires
Front coil springs #3824693
Rear coil springs #3824694
Deleted front sway bar
Optional sound proofing and insulation delete on most
Optional heater delete on most
Hood #3837710 (aluminum)
Hood catch #3837718 (aluminum)
Grill filler panel #3837750 (aluminum)
Left fender #3837765 (aluminum)
Right fender #3837766 (aluminum)
Front bumper center #3837751 (aluminum)
Front bumper LH #3837755 (aluminum)
Front bumper RH #3837756 (aluminum)
Rear bumper center #3837752 (aluminum)
Rear bumper LH #3837753 (aluminum)
Rear bumper RH #3837754 (aluminum)
Front bumper bracket LH #3837763 (aluminum)
Front bumper bracket RH #3837764 (aluminum)
Rear bumper bracket LH #3837757 (aluminum)
Rear bumper bracket RH #3837758 (aluminum)
Rear frame to bumper brace LH #3837759 (aluminum)
Rear frame to bumper brace RH #3837760 (aluminum)

2. Stickers can be run on the rear quarter panels -- Contingency stickers are now qualified if on the rear quarter fenders, or the rear & back windows.

[poppaj]

Well I don't know what to think about the Chevy issue but I thought about my motor, not one peice of it is a factory Mopar part so I guess in reality most fast mopars are running a Indy produced motor not a Chrysler motor. So we can't say to much about other motor combos.

[TrannyMan]

Originally Posted by texoutsider

Hey Dave, I suppose I have "agitated" the people we are trying to influence on thier board...............

Tranny Man..........you are showing your ass again.

M.

Thanks Mark, It's always so nice learning from you. I guess reading something and asking questions is prohibited.

Y'all should really write ALLPAR and tell them to straighten out their information.